Comments on Debunking Holocaust Denial

Got into a small debate on YouTube, which ended up taking an unexpected constructive turn.  First, some responses from a more polite fellow:

Funny, I don’t see Stephen (coming out of) Leftfield responding to this comment. Considering how fanatical he seems to be about defending this stuff. Anyway, I’m going to use your comment on my blog site for a response to this vid.
@Anomalous Host Yeah I think Stephen actually replied to this comment but then deleted it. He’s a funny guy. If you’re going to use this info on your blog site, just realize that you can actually expound the points here even further if you want to do more thinking and research. Here is a link which has in-depth data on Prussian Blue staining caused by Hydrogen Cyanide, it explains how humidity speeds up the staining process and other things:http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/trr/6.html The page also includes pictures of blue staining on the outside walls of German dis-infestation/fumigation chambers, which I of course mentioned in my above comment.

 

And now, for the more interesting response.  First it was typical trolling, but then the troll decided to try being intelligent, which got more than either of us bargained for.

 





 

 

 

Stephen LeftfieldStephen Leftfield

Tadpolak “At the time, Leuchter was THE US expert on gas chamber construction & had designed & constructed most, if not all, of the US gas chambers.” – ‘sfunny. Wikipedia says he was a fraud and a conman . . . . . . =======================================================================

 

@Stephen Leftfield Alright, come on, seriously? You’re going to cite Wikipedia as a source? Any respectable history teacher wouldn’t wipe their ass with an assignment that used Wikipedia as a source. At best, you can cite the source that Wikipedia uses, not Wikipedia itself.

 

Stephen Leftfield
Anomalous Host
“At best you can cite the source that Wikipedia uses.”
– Yeah. You said it yourself.
Now get back to the substance, munchkin.

 

Anomalous Host
@Stephen Leftfield Get back to it? I’ve already covered it:
Though part 3 gets more in-depth and scientific about the coverage than parts 1 and 2. Currently working on part 4, which aims at Myles’ latest video: The Fred Leuchter Report – #1.
Stephen Leftfield
Anomalous Host
You’ve “covered” nothing, munchkin. I glanced at your blog, but it was clear from paragraph 1 line 1 that you’re peddling the usual, worn-out denier drivel. My advice: forget it. Do something useful with your life.

 

Anomalous Host
@Stephen Leftfield Decided to leave a comment and not delete it huh? Well anyway, paragraph 1 line 1 is a direct quote from Myles. Guess that says everything about his videos then.

 

Stephen Leftfield
Anomalous Host
– Too clever by half, aren’t you, little smart arse Holocaust denier?
You know what my comment means. You’re just another Jew-hating, racist nazi-hugger, who seriously thinks he’s going to “disprove” the Holocaust with an avalanche of amateurish bullshit.
Funny how you people deny the Holocaust. No nazi ever did.

 

Anomalous Host
@Stephen Leftfield “You know what my comment means.”
Yeah, it means you’re a troll who never had any intention of taking the arguments seriously. Myles put considerably more effort into it than you ever will, which is why I took his arguments more seriously.
“Funny how you people deny the Holocaust. No nazi ever did.”
Not true:
But just to save us both some time, here’s how I imagine your response going:
“Yeah, well he’s a nazi, and nazi’s can’t be trusted, just like how Myles bitched about Toben stating documents were forged and thus couldn’t be trusted.”
Or…
“Alright smart-ass, but that doesn’t apply towards nazis back in the day now does it?”
In which case I’ll just post a link to evidence showing that nazis back in the day didn’t mention anything about exterminating jews on a genocidal scope.
Or you’ll just say something about it all being hogwash (along with more racist/nazi/anti-semite/deplorable/etc name-calling), to which I’ll just simply reply, “Well that’s your opinion, and your opinion is wrong.”
Personally, I’d rather you stop trying to be one of those guys who can’t stand not having the last word and just let things be. But if you’re going to make it this easy to show your statements to be inaccurate, I’ll happily oblige. Because I find it fun. At least I provide links to evidence backing up my position, all you do is name-calling and calling my arguments weak/fruitless/non-arguments without demonstrating specifically how.

 

Stephen Leftfield
“Yeah, it means you’re a troll who never had any intention of taking the arguments seriously. Myles put considerably more effort into it than you ever will, which is why I took his arguments more seriously.”
– You’re right. I never had – and never will – take any of your “arguments” seriously. Well done. We agree on something.
“Not true:
– Lol. So this Karl Munter was a junior SS squaddie in 1944. I’m not interested in the ravings of small fry! I’m talking Hoess, Eichmann et al – you know, the ones who actually planned and directed the mass murders.
Not forgetting Himmler, of course, who committed suicide. Now – why was that?
“In which case I’ll just post a link to evidence showing that nazis back in the day didn’t mention anything about exterminating jews on a genocidal scope.”
– Yeah, surprising that, eh? You’d have thought Heini would have been calling press conferences every week to announce proudly to the world how many innocent people had been murdered in the previous seven days.
And talking of Himmler: the Posen speeches.
Personally, I’d rather you stop trying to be one of those guys who can’t stand not having the last word and just let things be. But if you’re going to make it this easy to show your statements to be inaccurate, I’ll happily oblige.
Because I find it fun.
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Anomalous Host

“I’m not interested in the ravings of small fry!”

Ah crap, that’s the one retort I forgot to include in the possibilities of your responses. Moving the goal posts. Then again, since you admitted to never taking me seriously, I doubt they were ever firmly planted in the first place. But that’s ok, I’m loose enough to adjust my kicks/runs/throws.
“Not forgetting Himmler, of course, who committed suicide. Now – why was that?”
Oh, I could think of a number of reasons. Such as him acting independent of Hitler’s orders, planning to surrender to the West in order to fight the Soviets, thus causing Hitler to strip him of his ranking and order his arrest, which caused him to flee without anyone to really turn to, only to be arrested by the British who I’m sure had some unpleasantries in store for him as they would other SS officers they would get a hold of post-War for the trials, only for Himmler to take the easy way out to avoid torture and forced confessions. Of course, I’m sure you’d rather believe a specific alternative explanation. Either way, we’d be speculating about as much as Michael Moore did in Fahrenheit 9/11.
“You’d have thought Heini would have been calling press conferences every week to announce proudly to the world how many innocent people had been murdered in the previous seven days.”
Trying to have your cake and eat it too? “Funny how you people deny the Holocaust. No nazi ever did.” First you’re proclaiming no Nazi ever denied the Holocaust. Then it’s no “ones who actually planned and directed the mass murders” ever denied the Holocaust. And now it’s a sarcastic remark admitting how ludicrous it would be for Nazis to freely admit to the Holocaust (assuming they were even carrying out one). Keep the seriousness out of this conversation; it will make it that much easier for me to throw your words back at you.
“And talking of Himmler: the Posen speeches.”
Ah! Finally! Something for me to actually chew on! A portion of this speech:
“I mean the clearing out of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish race. It’s one
of those things it is easy to talk about – “The Jewish race is being exterminated”
says every party member, “that’s quite clear, it’s in our program – elimination
of the Jews, and we’re doing it, exterminating them.” And then they come, 80
million worthy Germans, and each one has his decent Jew. Of course the others
are vermin, but this one is an A-1 Jew. Not one of all those who talk this way has
witnessed it, not one of them has been through it. Most of you know what it
means when 100 corpses are lying side by side, or 500 or 1000.”
Yeah, this is the main section referred to in those Posen speeches (of which there is only a written record of that has been subjected to errors. Originally written by Himmler in shorthand, and via phonographic devices which weren’t of the best quality (ie there are gaps in various segments of varying lengths). SS-Untersturmführer Werner Alfred Venn was responsible for the making and keeping of these writings/speeches, but also made “corrections” to the text here and there. So there’s the high probability of error when it comes to how close to the original speeches these actually are. But even if we put that aside, it becomes highly suspect that he said all the stuff recorded in the speech as is. Especially when you said it yourself, “You’d have thought Heini would have been calling press conferences every week to announce proudly to the world how many innocent people had been murdered in the previous seven days.” Yeah, it is on the unbelievable side (thanks for the fodder).
And even if we were to put all that aside, even if we are to assume that those corpse numbers were referring to Jews and not German soldiers (though for the record, there were German Jews who voluntarily signed up for and fought in the German army), there’s the numbers issue. We’re to believe the Holocaust murdered millions of Jews, and that Himmler is one of the main guys responsible for the murder of millions, and yet he’s only talking about numbers that only add up to 1,000? Where the hell is that ambitious hundreds of thousands number at?
There are many more holes that can be poked at with these Posen speeches, of which can be found in the book Auschwitz: A Judge Looks at the Evidence By Wilhelm Stäglich.
This is finally getting constructive. What else have you got? And for the record, don’t even bother trying to delete these posts. I’ve got them archived. Whether you take the response seriously or not is irrelevant. I’m already of the assumption you’re a lost cause. I’m playing for the audience.

 

This blog post may be a work in progress.  Might get updated.

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